Mar
24
2010

Obamacare, or Samaritan Ministries?

I just listened to Samaritan Ministry’s response to Obamacare HR 3590. It is a great, valuable listen: http://www.samaritanministries.org

The bill is the most aggressive takeover of the private sector in the history of America. We’re sickened by how Congress broke its own reconciliation rules, lied about how money would be saved, and passed the most overreaching bill in history. What a travesty and a mockery of our Constitution, a real punch in the face to America.

We are so incredibly opposed to this bill. Contrary to what you may think from listening to the news, health care will go down and people will die because of HR 3590. Proponents have fallen for the dramatic stories of the left about lack of health care leading to deaths. It doesn’t take much economic understanding to note that because government took over health care, we will see quality nosedive and a welfare-type bureaucracy blossom. Yet, speaking of death, the bill does allow for public funding of abortions. Not one pro-life organization endorsed HR 3590, which should have spoken volumes to the so-called pro-life democrats who turned coat on their convictions for the unborn.

An interesting advantage that Samaritan Ministry cited is that doctors will be more open to cash payments for medical care. Samaritan will attempt to gain an exception to the penalty for refusal to purchase health care. As medical care diminishes in years to come, people like us who pay upfront with cash will rise to the top of medical care. It makes sense: it’s sort of like shopping for a house without having to wait for a mortgage to go through; if you had cash, you’d get the house you need.

Now more than ever, Samaritan is the option for our family. We so believe in the program. Click here to apply, and let them know the Jeub family referred you.

About Chris & Wendy Jeub

The Jeub Family live in Monument, Colorado, with 14 of their 16 children. They encourage couples to love God and love one another, building an atmosphere of love in their homes.

  • Flynn

    No matter how you slice it, though, our current system is broken. There are millions dying because they have no access to health care & millions who are uninsured because of pre-existing conditions. And all of this is because insurance companies put money over health. I understand their need to make a profit. But that should never come before saving a life. Never. We need reform. Health care is not a luxury & it should be run by doctors, not insurance companies. And if the government has to step in to fix that, then so be it. Health care is not something only those with cash to pay for it are entitled to. HR3590 may not be perfect, but it’s an improvement. And when one of your children requires $50,000 or $100,000 worth of medical care, you will be covered. If one of your children is born with a condition that needs constant medical supplies or expensive treatments, you will be covered & not have to file for bankruptcy. You should be thankful we have a President who is trying to HELP PEOPLE LIKE YOU! People who are working class without millions of dollars in disposable income.

    My daughter was born with a form of dwarfism. I had to give up my job to care for her. We live on the edge every month when her medical bills come in, & that is even with my husband’s insurance. And I think every day about when she turns 21 & won’t be able to get insurance because of her pre-existing condition. I would give up my house & every penny I have to save her life should an emergency arise that we can’t pay for. Now I won’t have to. You claim to be a Christian… I guess you are, but only when it doesn’t involve going against your political party.

  • Jacob

    Wow.

    Flynn, I’ve never seen something I could look at and feel so strongly in agreement with, and at the same time feel vehemently against.

    Very simply put: the system is not broken. The system is the best that there is right now. I’d love to see numbers about the millions dying without access to health care. I could be wrong, but I was always told that if I, say, got hit by a car, the ambulance would show up and take me to the hospital without bothering to wait and see if I was insured or not.
    Now, because I have parents who have insurance, a bill would certainly come eventually, but there would be no concern about that until I am taken care of.
    I truly fail to see what part of that constitutes “broken.”

    I think you’re missing the point that the majority of anti-government healthcare groups are saying. [Well, one of them, anyway. But its my biggie.]
    The bill does not let the government “compete” with private insurance companies.
    It runs them out of business.

    Namely by forcing insurance companies to cover someone with preexisting conditions. Under the bill, you don’t need insurance [although you'll be punitively fined for it, but that's not the point] until the VERY DAY you discover you have a problem, and then you can promptly march to an insurance industry and they _have_ to cover you.
    That destroys the industry. Its easy to get caught up in the “stupid businesses and their stupid profit” mentality, but you have to remember that with no profit it goes bankrupt and then you get no insurance at all. Forcing them to cover prexisting conditions defeats the entire purpose of insurance, which was to PROTECT against potential future happenings. Its just like when you have car insurance and you have a car accident; your payments go up because you have become a greater risk, and you have to re-earn the lower payment.

    And then of course, when the private companies are out of buisness, the government becomes the only one suppling your health care.
    That has several obvious and then not so obvious ramifications.
    I could rant about how people who smoke and drink all day can now be covered but _I_ have to grow up and pay for it.
    I could talk about how when the government is the only supplier of health care, it is the government who decides what life standards constitute as “healthy” and which constitute a “risk”.

    See what I’m saying?? I am _truly_ sorry that your daughter was born with her affliction, and while I believe you, the foundation of the health care bill _AS A WHOLE_ is based on a list of sob stories designed to give the government higher control over what I may and may not eat/watch/do/see etc.

    And for the future, I’d appreciate it if you didn’t call my religious beliefs into question. Not supporting a healthcare bill that lets the government set the standard over my life =/= violating some Christian standard I’ve never heard of before. ;)

  • Gaylene

    There are many other ways to fix healthcare than to pass this bill. It’s unfortunate that the current congress didn’t listen to the majority of Americans who didn’t want this rammed down our throats.

    I say this even though I am responsible for my mother’s healthcare. She doesn’t qualify for aid yet as she is too young and we cannot afford to buy her a private policy. Instead, she managed to barely qualify (based on our mortgage payment) for a local government clinic. It is a horrible place to have to take your family to. But this is what we will all get with government healthcare. She dreads going and will only go to get her blood pressure checked and get a new prescription. It is consumed with patient fraud and extremely overworked doctors and nurses.

    I am a Christian and this bill is wrong on so many levels.

  • Gaylene

    Jacob – very well said and I couldn’t agree more!

  • http://daveandnickiskids.blogspot.com Nicki

    Chris and Wendy,
    Whoa to that comment above! Would be nice if people could have their opinion WITHOUT being rude! Anyways…we are a family that IS scared by this overtake. I’m all for people getting the coverage they deserve, but what about those of us that work our tails off everyday to do so? We work hard and want to doctor with who we want. We like that we can have preventative medical tests run. We like that we can decide how and when we will deal with medical situations. We are terrified by this bill passing and are afraid for the future of our children and their children as well. Someone we know is married to someone from Russia and she said that she has lived through this before and can’t believe that our country has turned down this road. How scary is that?

  • Flynn

    Jacob, I see where you’re coming from, but I disagree. Right now, insurance companies have the final say over health care, not doctors. And if you don’t have insurance, you are forced to get sub-standard health care. Right now, unexpected medical bills can bankrupt a person. HR3590 is NOT universal health care. It does NOT force you to give up your insurance or your current doctor if you don’t want to. It there to HELP those who are struggling right now without health care. We pay taxes for education. For new roads. For community projects. For Medicaire. There needs to be some sort of government help for those WITHOUT. There needs to be someone who can allow a DOCTOR to say that a surgery for my daughter is not elective but is needed for her quality of life when my insurance company won’t cover it. And if my husband were to lose his job, and we were uninsured or had a lapse in care, I do not want the quality of my family’s health care to suffer. You are letting politics get in the way of common sense.

  • Jacob

    Flynn, I understand what you’re saying, but you’re ignoring what I actually said the bill DOES in order to focus on what I never claimed it did.

    1. “It does NOT force you to give up your insurance or your current doctor if you don’t want to.”
    I have already shown, however, how the long term results of that bill is to drive your insurance company out of buisness, so in the end, yes it does.
    2. “We pay taxes for education. For new roads. For community projects. For Medicaire. There needs to be some sort of government help for those WITHOUT. ”
    Here I’m afraid we wander into an ideological difference. Yah, we pay for education. Not the best example I would have chosen, as the general consensus is that right now public education = a pile of indoctrinating garbage that doesn’t really TEACH you anything. Yes, we pay for new roads and community projects, but here’s the kicker: _we all benefit from roads._
    I do not benefit from paying for your health care, but I’m still going to be forced too under the bill, cause the government gets all of its funds from me.

    “There needs to be someone who can allow a DOCTOR to say that a surgery for my daughter is not elective but is needed for her quality of life when my insurance company won’t cover it.”
    Here I cannot respond without sounding overly harsh, but I do point out to you that if you can pay for it you can get it.
    That doesn’t point out a broken system. Maybe not a Utopian system, and I agree it is sad, but if you can pay for it, you can get it.
    Proof is in two words: Plastic. Surgery. :D [Although arguably a lot of the people that need it are the ones that get it :P ]

    ” And if my husband were to lose his job, and we were uninsured or had a lapse in care, I do not want the quality of my family’s health care to suffer. You are letting politics get in the way of common sense.”
    :-/ I’ll resist my urge to throw your ad-hominem back at you, but really. Lets try to keep the jabs down to a minimum, ok?
    I understand your position, I really do, but I’m afraid that when your only solution is to completely destroy the country by giving the government total control over every aspect of my life, I have to say “I’m sorry, but oh well.” You didn’t bother responding to my explanation as to _why_ the bill was bad. Even if it helps you as an individual, it is selfish to want it knowing that it would completely wreck the freedom we have in the first place.

  • katie

    i love obamacare. I don’t think insurance companies will be “run out of business”..america has a long tradition of entrepeneiurial spirit and new buisinesses will form. I have faith that god will place in america’s hearts the ability to start new healthcare businesses if need be. So much vitriol about anti-business climate here, but don’t we all have faith that HE will provide? He will purpose to our hearts to create, invent, and be entrepeneurs ? I have such faith in HIM and in our people. I am surprised that so few others do.

  • Flynn

    Jacob, I disagree that the long-term results of this are to push insurance companies out of business. Throwing terms around like “government takeover” is a scare tactic, pure and simple. Believe me, insurance companies will survive… this Bill does not do away with them AT ALL, but the Bill will allow the government to step in where necessary & will allow people who don’t have adequate insurance equal care for life-saving procedures.

    Did you seriously say “If you can pay for it, you can get it.”?? What if you CAN’T pay for it??
    And I am NOT talking about “plastic surgery”. I am talking about things like cancer treatments. Or nutritionists for children that require GI tubes. Occupational therapists for children with Downs Syndrome. Physical therapists for children like my daughter who have limb differences.

    Have you thought about what would happen if you needed $100,000 worth of chemotherapy that your insurance company wouldn’t provide? If your child needed a kidney transplant but your insurance company wouldn’t cover it? This Bill does NOT help JUST me. It helps you too. My taxes will help your medical care improve as well. Listen, I’m the first one to agree that our government programs aren’t perfect & often don’t work. But the health care system we have now doesn’t work either, at least not for working class people who have serious medical needs. Something needs to be done.

  • Flynn

    BTW, you should read this: http://patriceandmattwilliams.blogspot.com/2010/03/dont-be-hatin.html

    This is a strong Christian family. Their son Jonah was born with an incurable disease called EB where essentially the protein that connects our layers of skin is missing. He faces a life filled with blisters all over his body, being constantly wrapped in bandages, losing his hair, nails & teeth, being unable to eat well or breath well because of scar tissue building in his throat, and being in constant pain every single day. Read their story. It will inspire!

  • Jacob

    Katie:
    “I don’t think insurance companies will be “run out of business”..america has a long tradition of entrepeneiurial spirit and new buisinesses will form. I have faith that god will place in america’s hearts the ability to start new healthcare businesses if need be.”
    You ignored my explanation as to WHY they would go out of buisness, and just said “God will let us start new businesses.”

    “but don’t we all have faith that HE will provide? He will purpose to our hearts to create, invent, and be entrepeneurs ? I have such faith in HIM and in our people. I am surprised that so few others do.”
    I fail to see the point; does having faith in God mean one shouldn’t be worried when the government is out to shut down your buisness??

    Flynn, yet AGAIN you have FAILED to actually respond to my explanation, and simply said “they’ll survive.”, and declared my words to be “scare tactics.”
    NO. THEY. WON’T.
    You yourself have thrown out massive prices on diseases, and said how much some of them would cost. [$100k worth of chemo.] If you force insurance companies to pay for them, then you destroy the company. Insurance is to PROTECT, not make up for your lack, but to PROTECT against whatever garbage life throws at you. That is why forcing them to pay for pre existing conditions is bad: it defeats the whole purpose of “insurance” and turns the businesses into “I have a problem. Here, pay for it.”

    “Did you seriously say “If you can pay for it, you can get it.”?? What if you CAN’T pay for it??
    And I am NOT talking about “plastic surgery”. I am talking about things like cancer treatments. Or nutritionists for children that require GI tubes. Occupational therapists for children with Downs Syndrome. Physical therapists for children like my daughter who have limb differences.”
    I appreciate how you ignored the context that was taken in. That statement was intended to point out the flaw in declaring the system broken. If a PERSON cannot afford something, that does not automatically mean THE SYSTEM is broken, it means the individual has a problem.

    Second of all, yah, its terrible that there are those who have issues they cannot handle, but IF I say “All right, something needs to change”, you have failed to rebuts my statement as to why THIS bill is _not_ the answer.
    I’m still not convinced there is that big of a deal, but for sake of discussion:
    Ok, we need a change.
    This change we have just passed is not the answer, and the reason is explained in depth in my first post.

    “This Bill does NOT help JUST me. It helps you too. My taxes will help your medical care improve as well.”
    Not when it drives my insurance companies out of buisness and then lets the government tell me I can’t eat no more doritoes, no, then I will find myself much worse off then before. :P

    “the health care system we have now doesn’t work either, at least not for working class people who have serious medical needs. Something needs to be done.”
    I repeat myself: All right, but this is not the answer, and I explained why IN MY FIRST POST.
    I appreciate that you disagree, I appreciate that I could be wrong, but I’d love it if you’d respond to my explanations instead of dismissing everything as “scare tactics” and merely saying “they’ll survive”.

  • Jacob

    By the way, your post specifically talked about attitudes, not about the bill itself.
    Our attitudes are fine.
    The bill is messed up and dangerous.

  • david kumbera

    1; Charity at the end of a gun is extortion, not “Christian” Free people under the captivity of the Holy Spirit making Godly choices is. This Bill removes children of God from that responsibility. Questioning ones salvation might truly be applicable here. Perhaps that is the purpose of Mr Obama.
    2; Fee for service works when applied, ie: Lasik eye surgery or cosmetic surgery where the cost of same has gone down. Third party payers, without exception, drive costs up.
    3; Government intervention will, with out exception, drive costs up.
    4; Pre-existing conditions are tragic, but they are none the less a part of life. A: Would you want to be in Cuba with their government care, or B: in America under the compassion of a FREE people making their own choices.
    5; #4 A&B are the options, choose wisely!!!!

  • katie

    Jacob, I don’t appreciate being yelled at when I am stating my belief in Jesus and that God will provide. And you are correct, faith in God is the foremost in my life. I shouldn’t be worried about my business. I have faith. Perhaps you are here to test my faith, just like our President.

  • Jacob

    Katie, I apologize if my tone came off as violent and condescending, but I don’t see where I appeared to yell when I said exactly two sentences which were directed at you.

    I might note that in your statement, you have still ignored my explanation as to why insurance companies would and will collapse with this bill. Faith is great. But faith without works is dead. Works is a verb, not just a noun.
    If a man comes up and tries to kidnap you, are you going to just throw yourself to the ground and say “God will protect me”, or are you gonna mentally say “God please help me” and promptly start kicking and punching and yelling???

    “Perhaps you are here to test my faith, just like our President.”

    I am going to walk away now, before I say something truly offensive.
    But that was _beyond_ unnecessary.

  • sandra

    Thanks for posting,I was wondering what you all thought about it.I have so many misgivings about it…it seems a way to ultimately control who lives and who dies.
    Many say our health care system needs a reform,but I don’t trust this current admin. to do it.Obama voted 3x not to save survivors of abortion for one reason and for one reason only..he didn’t think they were worth investing in.It was all about money.Same as it is with the whole reform..older ppl and those the gov’t deems not worth investing in are not going to get the care they need,and unfortunately,now the gov’t has ultimate control over it. :(
    very sad days ahead for our country.JMO.

  • katie

    Hi Jacob, I only trying to express what God has put onto my heart. I do believe completely in the power of prayer and prayer can save our nation. “Works” for me is prayer. i have been physically assaulted and comparing obamacare to a physical assault isn’t quite fair. However, I wholeheartedly believe Luke 6:29 and Romans 13:1. Again, just what has been placed in my heart and what hours have prayer have impressed on me.

  • Gaylene

    Wasn’t this bill made to be very similar to that of the Mass government healthcare? The state treasurer (a Democrat) came out and said this state cannot sustain this health care plan (signed in by Romney); it will bankrupt the state.

    In that state, people are required to by a policy or pay a fine. The fine is much less expensive than the policy so many opt to just pay the fine. Then, when they get in a accident or break a leg or get sick the want a policy and the insurance companies are required to cover them. There is no way the insurance companies will be able to stay in business. 3 of the 4 companies left are in the red because they have to cover all these high medical bills for those that haven’t been paying into the system.

    Why is it so hard for people to understand the economic impact of this bill on our country? Yes, it creates good feelings that everyone will be covered but eventually, it will all be government, no private companies left. Just look at the state of Mass! Obama, Pelosi and Reid are all on the record as saying they want a single payor government system… their words from their mouths. This is just a stepping stone to get there.

  • Penny

    So “Samaritian Ministries” is a great option for Christian families in these times but it is just like any other…set-up for the “perfect family”…definately NOT for our family who has a child with disabilities. Simply put…what do Christian families like ours do? What if Samaritian Ministries put a limit on the number of children they would allow a family to cover? How would you respond to that? I wonder if you would feel isolated, rejected and afraid for your family and the children God has given to you? People have told me from the day my disabled daughter was born that she was a “gift” and that our family “chosen” and that “these children are a blessing”? Our family is real…what about us?

  • Charity

    Hey Jacob! Our family is also a Samaritan member family. I can’t tell you how at peace I was when I found out that this ministry would not be compromised by this bill. I truly believe that God has protected and provided for His people. God will provide what the government cannot. It is amazing to watch how God has worked through and used this organization to bless and provide for so many families in so many ways. And when unpublishable needs are posted, watch the love of Christ flow through a body of believers to carry the burden of the others. I believe this is truly what God set up for health care. Those who are not members, look into what this actually is before you comment on it. It’s not about business, it’s about families pulling together and agreeing to help one another out. Love and devotion at its finest. Samaritan was recently noted to be a model for the nation.

  • http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/ourfunhouseofgod/ Alexia

    Katie said: “Works” for me is prayer.

    James 2:15-17 says: “Suppose you see a brother or sister who has no food or clothing, and you say, “Goodbye and have a good day; stay warm and eat well”— but then you don’t give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do? So you see, faith by itself isn’t enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.”

    and

    Matthew 25: 35,36 “For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger and you invited me into your home. I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.”

    No, works is not JUST prayer. you have faith, you ask God to move, and then YOU be His hands and feet on this earth.

    and saying that this bill is ok, because ‘I have faith that God will fix it’ IS like saying that you dont have to give clothes, or food to anyone because ‘God can do all things’. Well, yes. But God so chooses to move thru you and I.

    Maybe your 1 vote would have prevented this??? Maybe that 1 person you didn’t warn about this bill, had a whole big sphere of influence that would have been the turning point for this cause.

    Anyway, I don’t like to have a gun held to my head saying ‘pay for my medical bills’, instead the church could VOLUNTEER to pay for each-other’s bills, just like Samaritan Ministries does.

  • Kimberly

    I have a dd who was born with only half of her heart functioning (HRHS) She has had multiple open heart surgeries and needs regular check ups and tests. My dh has insurance through work that is excellent and we only pay 20$ a week for our family of 8! We have used state medicaid to help us pay the residual medical bills in the past as we could not pay them ourselves.

    In talking to the higher ups at dh’s work they are going to have to raise deductibles and co pays to meet the “obamacare” guidlines. This means we will have even less money in our pockets. While I desperately want my dd to get the care she needs this plan is going to financially kill us.

    I am not alone in my distaste of this bill, many of my friends with special needs feel the same way. We understand that healthcare is not perfect, but that this is not the way to help our children. This is yet another way to increase the governments control over our lives. the car industry, the credit card industry, student loans, one thing after another they are stripping our freedom to choose away and telling us they know what’s best for us.

    Well I don’t EVER want to hear what’s best for my dd or any of my children come out of anyone’s mouth but me or my dh! No gov controlled yes man is going to tell me that I have to have this surgery or test, or that i don’t need that one! This whole bill is a messed up attempt at fixing the things that didn’t need to be fixed, while ignoring those that did.

  • marchon

    Nobody likes to have a gun held to their head but obviously “volunteering” isn’t working.

  • Renee

    I have lived in Socialist and traveled into the former Eastern Block of Europe, and the life expectancy of people there was 50 yrs of age because the gov’t could not afford to pay for all of the citizens to get health care. They focused on the young since they were cheaper to provide health care for, and when the old got too costly, the gov’t said “well your old and that’s part of life, and you will die.”

    I would like to address the fact that in a free market society competiton levels things out. Right now Americans only have a few choices of insurance companies in their State to provide coverage, so the companies can keep your premiums up and you will have to pay. However, if you had choices of hundreds of companies across the Nation, they would be forced to bring down their rates and this would make insurance extremely affordable for everyone.

    Where will the money come from if our gov’t controls health care? This Bill will put companies out of business because theycannot compete with the gov’t who plans to take the money from your tax return if you do not pay for this system on your own. I have read parts of this bill before they took it down, and this bill will control everything not just Health.

    They want to have social programs where peoplewill come into your home and tell you how to raise your children if you are not complying with their politically correct view of raising your kids Remember Separation of Church and State will play a BIG part here.

    When the insurance companies and the small business comapanies are driven out of business because of this Bill this will result in more unemployment and less people not paying into the tax system=more people dependant upon the system=less money to cover more people , and on and on.

    Look up the Democratic Socialists of America’s site, they were one of the biggest supporters of Obama’s Senate Race http://www.dsausa.org and their site reads like Obama’s gov’t plan. They talk about how “nice” and “good” they are and how they got a bad rap in history.

    As far as those who pray that God will provide and notallow our gov’t to harm us. I say God will provide you the health care you need without the Gov’t assistance. I’m sorry if that sounds harsh, but that’s another way to look at it. Churches and Charitable foundations were formed and the place people turned to when they were sick and couldn’t afford care in the past not the Gov’t. When the gov’t controls your health, they control your life.

    Gov’t cannot fund everything, and when they force the country’s businesses into closing and unemployment becomes a way of life for our Nation you will see how kind our gov’t will truly be.

    Look at the big picture here not just the immediate one. There is much to much for me to continue here, but start looking at things not just listening to those who tell you what you want to hear.

  • http://allaregiftsfromgod.blogspot.com Melissa

    Renee you have put this out so well. And Alexia. Thank you to all who stand for the idea of helping each other through CHOICE. This is what it should be about, not forced. I have been following this disscusion with much focus due to how strongly my dh and I feel about this. We are not normally the type of people to get strongly invovled in politics but with the way things are starting to go we are planning on attending our first tea party on April 15. It’s time that all of us stood up for what we believe in and not just complain but actually got out there and put out the grassroots campaigns. Let’s not just talk about all of this, let’s be called into action.

  • http://www.jeubfamily.com Chris & Wendy

    Here is some helpful information..

    What will happen to the Medicare Part D “donut hole”?

    In 2003, Congress created a prescription drug benefit in the Medicare program for seniors. In order to keep the cost of the program down, the benefit runs out after recipients have reached a set amount — currently $2,830 a year. Recipients then have to pay their own way until they reach another dollar amount — currently $6,440. This gap in coverage is known as the “donut hole.” The bill would provide a one-time $250 rebate for people who fall into the donut hole this year. Starting in 2011, it would create a 50 percent discount on brand-name drugs for recipients in the donut hole. That would increase to 75 percent by 2020, with the federal government paying the rest of the cost of the drugs.

    – Ryan Teague Beckwith, Congress.org

    Have a question about how the health care overhaul works? E-mail [email protected] and we’ll post the answer on the blog.

  • http://www.jeubfamily.com Chris & Wendy

    Here is more Information…

    What if I can’t afford insurance?

    Is there a provision for those who cannot reasonably acquire the mandatory health insurance?

    As noted previously , the health care overhaul will require most individuals to buy health insurance beginning in 2014. The reconciliation bill in the Senate also includes help for those who may have trouble affording insurance. The bill creates a system of tax credits available to households that are between 100 and 400 percent of the federal poverty level. (Currently, that’s between $22,050 and $88,200 for a family of four.) The credits are based on a sliding scale based on income. For example, households with incomes between 133 and 150 percent of the federal poverty level (or between $29,326 and $33,075) would pay between 3 and 4 percent of their income for health insurance premiums (or between $879 and $1,323) each year.

    – Ryan Teague Beckwith, Congress.org

    Have a question about how the health care overhaul works? E-mail [email protected] and we’ll post the answer on the blog.

  • http://www.jeubfamily.com Chris & Wendy

    A little more….

    What happens if I don’t buy health insurance?

    Under the health care overhaul passed Sunday, most individuals would be required to buy a minimum health insurance policy — just as most drivers today are required to have car insurance. This policy won’t kick in until 2014, however. After then, if you don’t buy insurance, you would have to pay a penalty on your annual income taxes. The reconciliation bill in the Senate would start with a flat penalty of $695 per member of your household each year. The maximum penalty would be 2.5 percent of your household income. (That’s $1,300 for a family making $52,029 a year, the median household income in 2008.) The penalty would rise with the cost of living in future years.

    – Ryan Teague Beckwith, Congress.org

    Have a question about how the health care overhaul works? E-mail [email protected] and we’ll post the answer on the blog.

  • http://www.jeubfamily.com Chris & Wendy

    AT&T Charged stockholders a BILLION dollars to handle the mandates of the new health plan? Hope no one thinks AT&T is going to fail to pass on their costs, just like every other business in America on to the customers. This is how it starts folks.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62P48W20100326

  • http://www.jeubfamily.com Chris & Wendy

    Remember the part in the ObamaCare pitch when they said if you like your current healthcare, it won’t change?

    Turns out it might.

    Companies are already announcing that their healthcare premium costs are going through the roof. Some are responding by firing people. Some are cutting benefits.
    http://bit.ly/b5FxWR

  • http://www.jeubfamily.com Chris & Wendy

    Sent to all Samaritan Ministry members this weekend:

    The health care bill that was passed Sunday night by the U.S. House of Representatives, often referred to as the Senate bill, contains a provision that exempts members of health care sharing ministries from the bill’s requirement for individuals to purchase health insurance. This is the bill that is awaiting the President’s signature. We are continuing to watch the reconciliation process, an effort to make changes to the Senate bill after the President signs it, for anything that would take away this exemption. Please be in prayer.

    Although we have been given protection, we are very concerned about the effect this bill will have on all the American people, our health care system, and the economy, if the provisions of this bill are actually implemented. While many of the provisions will take effect soon, the individual and employer mandates to purchase health insurance are not scheduled to take effect until 2014, after the next presidential election. We need to continue to pray for God’s intervention in this situation.

  • Wendy Jeub

    Now we know that the hope for children to be covered was only used as a tool to get you on board.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Gap-in-health-care-laws-apf-4272209396.html?x=0&.v=1

  • sandra

    It seems to me the new reform is more like a lender wanting to refi the whole mortgage when all you really need is an equity loan.And the only reason to do that would be to have ultimate control over it all.
    Sort of like throwing the baby out with the bathwater,so to speak.

  • Deanna

    Sending some sort of humor your way…I had to find out if my mom qualifed for “Long term care ” health insurance,..as she is facing rapid short term memory issues. The representative informed me that she would not because it’s already in her medical file.(understood) I only expressed that it’s too bad that her generation really did work (to me) harder than ours, and deserved to be taken care of in their older years. He seriously replied that “the government expects our elderly to have planned for their older years so they won’t be a burden”. I said..”Oh, you mean how the government plans and bugets our money???”. Thankfully, my mom has retirement accounts that she can live off of, but she is not like most.

    I was also reading about one of the monarchs,(think it was Charles I) that just basically didn’t get the money he wanted through Parliment,.and wow surprise of suprises taxed his people to get what he couldn’t have by going through the legal means of that time. It is so engrained in our lives that if we can’t get what we want, we find another route..re: credit cards,bail outs, and that type of thing.

  • Wanda

    Hello
    I am from Canada where we do have public funded health care.
    It was actually brought in by a Christian, Tommy Douglas. He was a Pastor who became a politician to help people.
    I am surprised to see the fuss over this healthcare bill and declarations of anti – american etc. I am saddened to think that it will fund abortions; that is wrong! But on the flip side how many of you (me included) shop at big chain stores that use slave labor??? Our money is funding the slave labor system for our own comfort. Is that any better than money funding abortion??
    Anyway back to health care. I have been so thankful over and over again that we have healthcare here! We have used it many times. My Dad had a heart attack,cancer and an anerism. If they would have had to even pay 20% of that they would have had to lose everything and still be in debt! My sister-in-law is on kidney dyalisis and in need of a kidney transplant, if they would have had to pay for it she would probably be dead already!
    Yes it is not perfect, but then the system in the States is not perfect either! My husband is from the States, we have lived there a few different times. We have met many people who were not able to get the health care provided for the poor, but were too “poor” to get their own health care. We have met people who have had loved ones who were very sick, and dying because they could not afford to go to the hospital. So the present system in the States was not working for those without access to large amounts of money!
    There is no perfect world of healthcare on this planet. But to object to the fact that millions who did not and could not get healthcare before and now will be able to is in my book very sad indeed!
    And if you are worried about it affecting your economy, Canada has done better in the recession than almost every other country. Our banking system was the best managed in the world.
    So I think the lamenting that this will over tax people is on false grounds.

  • Annabeth

    As a deeply devout Christian from Canada, I can tell you to not be afraid of this health care bill. Like in USA, if you want to pay to get to the front of the line,you can. (I do not mean this in a bad way, you can do this. We have excellent health care. We paid a grand total of $200 for each birth of our children and that was in a private room that resembled a hotel Also, relatives across the country have no complaints. Every American deserves to have access to affordable health care and it has nothing to due with political parties. As a citizen of my country , I want to help those who are needy and if that means a few extra dollars towards health care, I am fine with it. Jesus would have wanted health care for everyone. He would not be happy with those who act like supporting this was wrong.

  • Bea

    There was an article on msnbc.com about Samaritan Ministries and I have a question (o.k. its a little stupid). The article mentioned that you have to go to church 3 out of 4 weekends and have a pastor sign off that you are involved in the church. How do you do that when you are a home based church and there isn’t a pastor as there is in a standard church? Just curious…

  • Kat

    Do you really think it’s very Christian to leave the people of this country to fight for their own country? 

    Somehow I don’t see Jesus throwing his arms up and letting people fend for themselves. It shocks me that you find “Obamacare” unconstitutional, and clearly YOU are a victim of being closed-minded and confused.